Help to identify an MK 1 (Sun Jul 28, 2002 )
Hi All
Pls, do sign-on when making postings. This group does not allow for
posting by just e-mailing the group (saves you all a lot of junk mail).
I have to moderate outside postings but I'm going away for 2- 3 weeks.
Richard (below) is asking for help to identify an MK 1, year etc.
I will load up his picture as well. Do anyone have a good idea of the
year for this one and if in origonal condition. Not sure what he meant
about the second photo, as it didn't come out right, but I'll post that
in a couple of weeks.
Cheers
Royal
I got the id numbers mine say 195 on the front on the front fork. No
fxxx numbers.. I do have a 4579 raised on the other ,alloy case states
1a 195, and on the front of block i have ag7 2819..
Please help me i.d. The model of bike i have here from looking at various
photos i think its similar to that 1967 photo on the web site http://www.ozemate.com
of a 1967 mki but the pipes do not turn up and there is something i
cannot i.d. Thats on that photo between the tank and the seat
Thanks
Richard
Primary Transmission Troubles (Thu Jul 25, 2002)
Thanks Bob my new clutch basket is visably out of true and, my old
one was so out of round that, as it rotated the primary chain would
tighten then loosen with every rotation so, maybe your on to something
here.
My clutch works "kinda OK" when cold but, when it heats up
....man! what a mess, it gets so bad that I have to brace myself against
the bike trying to creep ahead at a stop. I do try and select neutral
before coming to a stop but this is often as not a hit or miss exercise
and as the clutch will not release properly the gears are "loaded"
and so the neutral finder will not work.
Thanks to all for your feedback, much appreciated.
Cheers
Rick Fisher
I won't vouch for this method since I've never tried it, but I've read
on another list that guitar strings can be used to aid in cleaning out
small carb passageways. Apparently they come in different sizes, they're
soft enough not to score the surfaces, bendable to get around corners,
and hard enough with some carb cleaner sprayed in first to scrape away
the grunge and gum build up from fuel.
Bob Cram
I don't know if this is pertinent to your problem , but when I dissembled
my clutch I found over .060 " clearance in the bushing of the clutch
"basket" as it rode on the hub.
The N.O.S bushing I got from a reputable source yielded .055"
clearance, so I had a local machine shop make one up that brought the
clearance down to .006". Now, even with old plates and springs,
clutch slip and drag are both gone, and it only cost me $50. Maybe one
of these days I'll treat her to a new set of "corks & springs".
BOB ST. A
Getting my Amals to idle!
I have owned my 1970 Series II since 1972 and through all the repairs
and rebuilds I have had one continuing problem - getting my Amals to
idle! When I come to a stop light my idle might creep up to 3000 - very
embarrassing! It seems to be a physical problem of the slides not bottoming
out. I've changed cables, re-routed cables, had the slides machined,
fitted new return springs, even raised the tank to get better cable
clearance.
Any suggestions, dopey or brilliant would be appreciated. (Prefer brilliant).
Gridley Bruce
Re: SII Amals
The Walridge Motors print catalogue has just such a sectional drawing
of an Amal Concentric that Gregg recommended. Walridge's website is
http://www.walridge.com/default.htm
They have an online catalogue, but it doesn't have the illustrations,
just a list of parts and prices. You'll need to order the printed catalogue.
Bob Cram
Hi Gridley
Well here's something that may help. Check to make sure that your throttle
bore doesn't have a hole in it from a casting flaw allowing engine vacuum
to pull extra fuel from the float bowl, ( this is quite common with
mono blocks and occasionally concentrics too) or, perhaps the advancer
is hung up at full advance (returning to null when the engine is shut
off fooling you into think-ing that all is well every time).
You say you have a Series II so just observe the timing marks on the
alternator rotor at different RPM through the peep hole in the primary
cover and, also, try boiling those pesky idle passage ways out with
phosphoric acid and an eye dropper (be careful with this stuff !) and
hopefully before you get that unmistakable "acidic odor" of
metal going off you have flushed the passage ways out under a tap.
The latest North American RE Club newsletter (#69 ) has a neat cutaway
picture of a concentric showing the different passageways and how small
and there- fore easy they are to plug up with grunge.
Hope this helps.
Rick Fisher
Series II, too
Gridley,
While it is possible your new throttle cables have been fabricated
incorrectly and are thus hanging up your throttle slides, it is quite
easy to check. With the throttle stop screw backed right off, make sure
you can adjust the outer cable so there is slack. That way you know
for certain the cables are not preventing the slide from bottoming out
in its travel.
It may also be the case that the idle passages inside your carb body(s)
may be plugged, in which case your idle speed is not being set by the
correct mixture paths. This has always been a problem with Amals, and
if the idle passage is blocked with residue, the passage can be unbelievably
difficult to clear it out. Resolution usually requires removing the
plug in the carb body at the venturi. Try to locate a sectional drawing
of the carb body to better visualize what you are trying to accomplish
... spraying with carb cleaner will generally be futile.
All this said, I would caution you that 90% of carb problems are
electrical. I'd advise you to check your auto advance unit to be sure
that it is :
a) for the correct direction of rotation, and
b) returning to the fully retarded position at an idle.
Often, the auto advance unit will become sticky if it hasn't been serviced,
and/or the small return springs have come adrift.
The advance units on the Enfield Series 1 & 1a engines live a comparatively
easy life, but the advance unit on the Series II is mounted like the
one on the Norton Commando.
Having the advance unit stuck on the end of the camshaft subjects it
to a lot of shock loading, and its location in a small hot cavity makes
for a pretty hostile operating environment. Have a look there first:
you may find its the root of your problems.
.. gREgg
Apart from cables sticking, an uneven idle is frequently caused by
an air leak somewhere that is upsetting the standard fuel/air ratios.
You need to check everywhere air can get in: around the inlet manifold,
around the slides if they are worn, at the mixture screw, etc. etc.
The manifold flange on Amals sometimes get bent by overtightening the
nuts that mount the carb to the head. Check your carb mounting flange
on something you know is flat like a piece of plate glass. If the flange
isn't flat, you can lay emery paper on the flat surface and then just
rub your flange on that until it is flat again.
An easy way to check if the slides are too worn and letting air through
is to idle the bike without air filter and push the slides forward with
your hand. Make sure the bike is warmed up first. If the idle changes
when you do that, you probably need new slides.
Bob Cram
Oil pressure relief valve and oil pressure warning light
(Tue
Jul 23, 2002 )
What allways wondered me was how on earth the heads on the Series II
engine could ever get any oil. According to the book the main pressure
relief valve does not let through any oil to the heads before there
is a pressure of 65 psi to the big ends. I did not have the impression
that any Enfield oil pump normally builds up that pressure.
But when I took out the pressure valve it was more sophisticated than
the drawing in the parts book and the manual suggested. Not just a spring
and a ball, but a plunger with a small drilling through it. The idea
being that allways a small flow of oil goes
through the valve, even if it is closed. My question.. is this original
for a Series II engine?
I put an oil pressure warning light on the turret of the oil filter.
Very usefull.. one day when running at about 4000 rpm I see this light
flickering. No oil pressure! When going down to 2500 rpm oil pressure
comes back. Typical case of cavitation I would say. Back home I check
the oil level.. shame on me.. hardly one litre left. About the modification
Peter Tromp Meesters talks about ( see ...) this air chamber in the
oil supply line to the pump.. He did this trick on my engine and I think
it works fine.
Paulus Boortman
Hi, Hope your readers enjoy it. Attached is a small portion of the
road test, all of the specifications, and two pictures I took with my
digital camera. Not really great quality, but the best I could do...
Billy Dean
1965 750cc King-Kong-Royal Enfield Interceptor 1965 Cycle World
Road
Test Annual Overall… "Most motorcycles have have an indefinable
something we call character, and because they have this quality, they
also almost invariable have appropriate names.
We do not know what the average Royal Enfield Interceptor owner is
calling his machine these days, but we would offer "King Kong" as a
suggestion. No other name that comes to mind so completely describes
the Interceptor-it is truly big and hairy.
Of course, others have its size, but none have the Interceptor's
sheer brute performance, It is, by an impressive margin, the fastest
true road machine we have ever tested. Fast in the sense that it will
reach 120mph, and cover a ¼ mile from a standing start in 13.8 seconds,
with a terminal speed of 96 mph…"
See the whole Test of King Kong
Clutch Drag and Hitchcock's belt conversion kit.!(Sun Jul 21,
2002)
The picture speaks for itself, I think ... this is the Hitchcock's
belt conversion kit. No miles yet, but things are looking good ...Your
files are attached and ready to send with this message.
Karin Jones
Karin will you keep us all informed on how this clutch conversion worked
out for you? Just had a horrible day in an I-5 traffic jam with mine
dragging. Any one "out there" have a secret way to set these
clutches so they won't drag after they heat up?
Cheers
Rick Fisher
Series II
Rick,
The problem is due primarily to insufficient lift in the release mechanism
due to wear, incorrect assembly, and made worse by incorrect adjustment.
Seems to me I've posted numerous suggestions over the past few months.
Check them out in the archives ... there's no silver bullet, it's just
a matter of knowing the issues and making sure the details are correct.
Meanwhile, the best advice I can give is to use your neutral finder
on ever opportunity , and *never* sit with the engine running and your
clutch pulled in.
..gREgg
gREgg has provided some excellent advice on Clutch adjustment, which
you can find in the knowledgebase of the web site for this discussion
group.(www.ozemate.com/interceptor)
A direct link to this particular item is
http://www.ozemate.com/interceptor/kbengine1.htm#alt3
Clutch
Adjustment
Cheers
Royal
Shrouded Rear Shockies! Wed Jul 17, 2002
Some months ago, I read an article which included a section on the
variations of rear shocks the factory installed on the GP 7's and TT
7's through the last years they were built. I recall a reference to
switch on the TT 7's between shrouded and unshrouded springs (or vice
versa) but can't recall the year it happened.
I thought I'd read it in Roy Bacon's book on post-war REs, but I can't
find it there now. Does this ring a bell with anyone? Or, more to the
point, can anyone tell me definitely which shock is right for a '68
1A built in Feb '68 (if that level of detail is available)? Thanks in
advance.
Rod
-Hi Rod..well I thought this was a pretty intriguing question so I
went to the text of a Steve Wilson book I have on Brit bikes that includes
RE's, and according to him there were TWO models Interceptor made in
'68, (easrly '68 anyway) one had the chrome shrouds and one with exposed
chrome springs, both were 1As...so I guess you have to know which of
these two you have.
If you go to the photo section of this site you'll see a scanned pic
of specs for the Interceptors (from this book )up to and including '68,
if you read the details for the '67 models they seem to be the same
for the '68.
I'm thinking that these specs are for the early 1A for '68.. So according
to all this there were actually FOUR Interceptors for '68, the Road
Sports and Road Scrambler in the early part of the year, the later 68
1/2 series1A, then the Series 11 after (Sept?)
So after all this rambling I'm thinking that if your bike looks like
a traditional 1A with upswept pipes and the chrome tank then it should
actually have exposed chrome springs on the rear shocks for early '68
There a picture of such an Interceptor in the sales brochure section
on the website from a sales brochure from '67, its the Road Scrambler
model...
Now thats a surprise
Bob
Good Afternoon-
I would agree with Bob: I recently saw some dealer pictures for the
Series 1A, 1967 and early 1968. The scrambler had chrome exposed shocks,
whereas the sports bike had chrome covers over the springs.
Dave
..... there were TWO models Interceptor made in '68, (easrly '68 anyway)
one had the chrome shrouds and one with exposed chrome springs, both
were 1As...so I guess you have to know which of these two you have.
Considering that in 68 the factory was recently moved and the finical
health was not great I think it would be expected that cash flow problems
would drive them to be rather 'flexible' with suppliers and compenents.
If you were a buyer and someone offered you a lot of rear shocks at
an attractive price, AND your normal supplier was pressuring you to
pay for the last 4 months of deliveries, what would you do? You'd probably
be a hero for maintaining the supply of needed components to keep the
assembly line running.
my 2 cents
RickL
67 Mk1a
60 Metoer Minor
53 Bullet
bitsa trails pile of parts that wants to be a project
Hi Rick, this excellent book is part of a series by S. Wilson called
"British MCs since 1950". The one I have is volume 4, its
ISBN# 0-85059-830-3, theres lots of great RE facts here, but I understand
it is out of print..so good luck
Bob
Thanks Bob "I will leave no stone unturned" *smile*
Rick
just as a note in passing my 1968 1a has the upswept pipes and the
chrome covered shocks. this bikes as some of you know was restored by
Rick Brown, Victoria. but as in any case there is bound to be variations
which add to the mystery.
"tvr1973"
The official parts book shows the following:
1. Scrambler uses exposed chrome springs
2. Road Racer uses chrome covers
Of course, Rick' s theory regarding "supplier du jour" as
a means for creative cash flow management has been used by many a small
company during difficult times. I have no doubt Enfield would have resorted
to it, though I'd imagine both types of shock came from the same supplier,
Girling.
.. gREgg
I agree, the scrambler had exposed springs and the racers shrouded.
All the shocks were by Girling, there was no other manufacturer at that
time period ( RE did make their own shocks originally before changing
to Armstrongs circa 1955 and then changed to Girling in later years
).
I do remember seeing as I recall maybe 200 Girling shocks in yellow
boxes which had come out of the factory after it closed. I don't think
they were pre-assembled with shrouds, I think the factory must have
installed shrouds on an as needed basis.
Roger.
Thanks for the discussion and opinions guys. After which, I guess the
definite answer is that there is no definite answer. The parts book
is clear, and most restorations today seem to have either unshrouded
or semi-shrouded versions. On the other hand, in Roy Bacon's book, the
few pictures of contemporary TT 7s seem to have fully shrouded shocks,
although the pictures aren't that clear.
My bike had the full shrouds on it when I bought it last year, and
they look as if they'd been on there from day one, but who knows. A
variation of Rick's theory might be with the whole Brit bike scene winding
down, Girlings was willing to part with one model at a substantial discount,
which RE was happy to take advantage of. Anyway, since the restoration
consensus seems to side with the parts book, I'm going for the unshrouded
version.
Thanks again for the input.
Rod
Subject: Oil for transmission (Sun Jul 14, 2002)
Pete has problems finding Oil without friction modifiers. Thinking
about automatic trans oil? Don't sound right to me. Any comments?
Royal
I have been using 10w-30 motor oil in my series ii primary case. However,
these days it is hard to find 10-30 oil without friction Modifiers.
I believe i can use automatic transmission fluid in the primary case.
Is this correct? And if so, there are several types available in the
Us (e.g. Dextron, type "f" for ford products, etc.). What
do you Recommend?
Thanks for your help! (Pete)
Dear Pete,
Here comes the lubricant questions for the Interceptor, I was wondering
when we were going to get on to the subject.
For primary lubrication in my R.E.s, I've been using Harley - Davidson
"Primary chaincase lube" available from any authorised Harley
- Davidson dealer. When you
fill your primary with regular oil, there is a tendancy for the clutch
plates to stick together due to the 'cling' of the oil.
H-D's "primary chaincase lube" alleviates that problem giving
good clutch operation and primary chain lube at the same time. I have
been using it in all my R.E.'s since 1984 when the product first came
on the market. It works well.
Roger.
There are a few oils specially formulated for lubricating wet clutch/primary/
transmission systems. Bel-Ray Light Viscosity Gear Oil is one excellent
choice,
as well as Golden Spectro Primary Chaincase Oil, Redline MTL, and others.
I
have used all of these products in my own and customer's bike for many
years
with excellent results.
Bob ST
I'm still pretty new to RE's, so I won't attempt to give a definitive
answer. However, from my other Brit bike experience I do know that lots
of Norton riders and Triumph riders with Triumphs prior to 1969 use
Type F automatic transmission fluid in their primary chaincases all
the time. In 1969,
Triumph changed the lubrication system to improve engine breathing
so that the chaincase and engine oil flowed back and forth between the
two. Therefore, the Triumphs in 69 and later cannot use transmission
fluid in the chaincase.
Given the basic similarities of clutch types of all 3 bikes, I would
think it would be okay to use transmission fluid in the RE chaincase
provided there is no way it can
escape the chaincase and get into the engine. Even on the early Triumphs,
this can happen if certain oil seals go bad.
Bob Cram
I agree with Bob, ATF works just fine in the Enfield primary drive.
After
all, it is designed to lubricate and transmit power without slip, which
are
much the same challenges we face with our primary drive systems.
Only thing to be sure that your chain tensioner shoe is of the proper
grade
of nylon. A few years ago, a friend melted the cheap nylon replacement
shoe
on his tensioner. I don;t know whether oil would have protected it any
better, but it sure self-destructed quickly with ATF.
.. gREgg
I am also new to RE's, but have spent 30 years working on MANY brands
of motorcycles for a living, and I agree that Type F trans fluid will
give adequate service in the types of clutch and primary in question.
Chances are, if you have a problem in that area, it won't be the fluid
that causes it. That being said, purpose formulated lubricants for this
application are not hard to find, they're not overly expensive, (given
the infrequent need for changing), and they probably do at least a slightly
better job than trans fluid.
Most Japanese dirt bikes use wet clutch/primary/trans oil, so your
local Honkawazukimaha dealer can supply, if not guidance, at least the
oils.
BOB ST
How to install the rubberized Swing arm bushes
on a long arm Mk 1Interceptor? (Thu Jul 11, 2002 )
(from feedback off the web site)
This like many things is a fairly easy task, as long as one has the
correct tools & tackle. Most important item you need a hydraulic
press with about 20 ton capacity, and at least 6" of travel.
You make up a stepped ring for the press bed, to act as an end stop
on for the tube that the bushes are pressed into. This ring needs to
be have a hole in it that will allow the bushes to pass through it as
they are pressed out.
You need to press the bushes out with a long tube that's small enough
to slide through the swing arm, but large enough to catch the OD of
the steel jacket of the bush. Now, set it all up in your press, and
push it all out ... it will take some doing. The bushes will be scrap
after this operation, if they were not before.
When the first bush comes free of the swing arm, a small spacer will
drop out. Be sure to catch it and put it aside. More on this later.Finish
pressing the second bush out. Reassemble with the new parts, being careful
to re-insert the spacer between the bushes.
Now, for some first hand advice: When I replaced the bushes on my Series
1a, the replacements from Burtons were too long .... good thing I checked!
Consequently, I had to shorten the spacer by the amount in excess on
the bushes. Again, a fairly simple job, as long as you have suitable
measuring equipment, and a lathe.
Hope this is clear enough to understand,
.. gREgg
American Indian Interceptor models Tue Jul 3, 2002
Does anybody have a cross reference wit hthe American Indian Interceptor
Engine use. Like which year make of Interceptor motors were used when?
See question from Indian owner below: (regards Royal)
I have a Royal Enfield ( made in America under the Indian Name, they
made them between 1955-1960 ) I am unsurewhat Model of Indian it is,
and I am unsure of the corresponding English Royal Enfield Model .
It looks like an Intercepter but I wish to know so the I may get parts,
and books on it. Just a quick clarification on My part....The Frame
# is 4759 The Engine numbers are B1008/SMRB9507 and the transmission
#is AM54
Hi Royal...just off the top of my head this sounds like the Indian
Trailblazer which I believe used the Meteor700 motor, the big twin for
its time, and as such is not an Interceptor motor at all, too early.
Others will know more than I, but the early Indian Enfield badge swaps
didnt involve Interceptors...only the later Clymer ones.. Doesn't help
much but its a start
Bob
At 01:34 PM 03/07/02 +0000, you wrote:
Does anybody have a cross reference with the American Indian Interceptor
Engine use.
The Frame # is 4759 The Engine numbers are B1008/SMRB9507 and the transmission
#is AM54 Correct me if I'm wrong, but...
SMRB would be 700 Super Meteor wouldn't it? That makes the Indian a
Trailblazer, if my info is correct. AFAIK, the only Indian brand Interceptor
ever built was the Clymer SII. That engine would have had a 1B prefix,
I think.
To help with identification, Interceptor barrels are symmetrical front
to back, whereas Meteor, SM and Connie barrels taper towards the rear,
IIRC.
Hope this helps.
Robert S
Hi All :
Through all My research on the web, I have found out that the Meteor
was the trailblazer but the Constellation was the basis for the Apache,
The Constellation was used as the starting point for the Interceptor
Mk1 in 1958/1959 era. As the Royal
Enfield(Indian ) company was disolved in America in 1960 , I have good
feelings ( but not hard data) that the Constellation 1958 was the basis
of the bike. As the fenders are chromed and the bike is set up in a
trials configuration. Well I would like an opinion ( Authoratative )
on the bike. The Meteor and Constellation used the same Motor, but the
Bikes differ in their setup.
Thanks a Bunch
I will keep Lurking in the background
Jennifer
Good Enough Mufflers or dissatisfaction? (Wed Jul 3, 2002 )
A note came in to the web site about Mufflers. Kickan has bought a
pair recently, but with the bike all apart hasn't been able to make
the same assessment as the one who sent in the note (below).
In addition to his questions. Do anybody have experience with mufflers
from Hitchcock? Performance, Sound (note acceptable) how well or bad
they fit and if anyone recommend an alternative supplier for mufflers?
See note.
Regards Royal
Note follows
I recently purchased a set of seriesII mufflers from Hitchcocks. while
they have steel baffles in them as do my original set, they are not
straight through baffles like the originals are. I'm sure this won't
help performance much.
The mounting bracket isn't as wide as the original, and doesn't wrap
around the inside of the muffler as much either.[ no big deal, but still
not exact pattern] My biggest complaint though was the fact [as Gregg
mentioned]that they didn't
have a round indentation in them to clear the axle as my originals
do.
They had a crude 'pinch ' in them in the correct location . But the
pinch only indented the top and bottom, leaving the center still protruding
. [ and still hitting the axle].
................a reply below
I just purchased a set for my Series II from British Cycle in Nova
Scotia,
Canada and they were absolutely outstanding. When I ordered them I was
told
they were made by Wassels and were straight through with no baffling
(just like
the originals). They sound great and were blemish free with perfect
chrome when
I took them out of the box. I'd recommend these guys any day of the
week.
Rick Fisher